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Episode 21 Topics:
- Last week to sign up for the June Fed+Fit Project! Learn more HERE.
- Last day for the Autoimmune Bundle! Learn more HERE.
- What is alcohol?
- How is drinking alcohol (EtOH) made?
- Four sources of drinking alcohol.
- How the body processes alcohol.
- How-to prepare for a night of drinking.
- How Charissa and Cassy personally choose to indulge.
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Ep. 21: Alcohol 101
This is the Fed and Fit podcast starting your week off with motivational thoughts on real food and fun fitness activities with Cassy Joy Garcia and co-host, Charissa Talbot. Remember our disclaimer; the information and opinions shared in this podcast are solely those of any given individual, and not a substitute for medical advice. Here are the ladies.
Today weโre going to talk about where alcohol comes from, how itโs processed in our bodies, how you can prepare for a night out of drinking, and how we personally choose to indulge.
Topics
1. Updates from Cassy [1:31]
2. Updates from Charissa [6:30]
3. What is alcohol? [10:01]
4. How is drinking alcohol (EtOH) made? [15:02]
5. How the body processes alcohol. [22:30]
6. Red wine and clear liquors; healthier? [30:12]
7. How-to prepare for a night of drinking. [33:21]
8. Health benefits of alcohol [38:55]
9. How Charissa and Cassy personally choose to indulge. [45:43]
Cassy Joy: Hey Charissa!
Charissa Talbot: Hey Cassy!
Cassy Joy: {laughs} If youโre listening on Monday the 25th, then Charissa and I wish you a very happy memorial day.
Charissa Talbot: Thatโs right! Iโve been so busy working I didnโt even remember itโs a holiday weekend.
Cassy Joy: Todayโs a holiday! As an entrepreneur and as someone who works from home, you kind of lose track.
Charissa Talbot: You do.
Cassy Joy: What the holidays are.
Charissa Talbot: In that case, this episode is perfect! I hope everyone listens to it this morning so they thoroughly enjoy their holiday evening, or day!
1. Updates from Cassy [1:31]
Cassy Joy: Yes. Today we are so excited about our topic. Before we get to it, Charissa, Iโve got to really important update for you.
Charissa Talbot: Oh, Iโm ready.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Iโm so ready. Wait, wait. Ok, now Iโm ready. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Now youโre ready? {laughs} Itโs about my garden.
Charissa Talbot: Oooh!
Cassy Joy: Itโs really important. I never realized how much of my littler heart that garden would consume.
Charissa Talbot: Mmm.
Cassy Joy: I love it so much. It is exploding. I started everything from seeds, and if youโre a first time listener, this past spring I decided, I live in suburbia of San Antonio, and Austin, my fiancรฉ, built me 3 raised beds that are, what are they, 4 x 8 each. So theyโre pretty good sized, and we filled them with organic soil and I sprouted seeds, I was so excited, and things are doing really well. My spaghetti squash is enormous. I have a cabbage patch full of kale and collards, and I have a nightshade patch, which is something that probably only a nutritionist would think about. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughs} Right.
Cassy Joy: Theyโre foods, but Iโm growing jalapenos and tomatillos, eggplants, and then some tomatoes, of course. Anyway, everything is doing really well. But something that I did not expect is the little friendly family of 6 and 8 legged little critters that have decided to move in because of the garden. And that has been interesting to watch. Weโve got an orb weaver, which is a spider, and a bunch of caterpillars munching on my baby cabbage patch, which at first, Charissa, the first one I saw I was like, whatโs happening to my little kale plants! They had these beautiful little sprouts, they were doing so well, and I went out there the next day and they were just like sticks.
Charissa Talbot: Awww!
Cassy Joy: It was so sad! And I found this one caterpillar on there, and I was like, oh you little stinker. So I picked him off with my little spade, and I threw him over the fence. Then all of a sudden I started looking some more, and I saw more caterpillars. Theyโre these little green ones. So I flinked a couple of more over the fence, then when I started to realize, it was like I was seeing for the first time, all these caterpillars eating my kale, I turned into mad mama!
Charissa Talbot: {gasp}
Cassy Joy: And I was just like, no way! So I started smushing them into the soil. {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: Oh my gosh. Youโre so mean, Cassy!
Cassy Joy: I know. And then the next day those caterpillars, Iโm convinced the ones that I had thrown over the fence had wriggled their way back to my little cabbage patch and so they got the ax too. Anyway, this has been a huge learning curve.
Charissa Talbot: {laughing}
Cassy Joy: We also had some ants, and we saw some mud daubers. And then the other day, because as you know Iโm an entomologist by education, my first round at college. My second round I went back and started studying nutrition. Iโm just a forever student, Iโll always be studying something. But I noticed we had this beautiful orange and yellow huge hornet flying around my squash, my spaghetti squash and my cucumbers.
Charissa Talbot: Uh-huh.
Cassy Joy: And we started getting a closer look, and I did some research online, and she is a European hornet, the queen, and itโs really interesting. I just think itโs so interesting, the life cycle of these guys. Apparently, unlike popular belief, theyโre not really that aggressive unless you really mess with them in their hive. Iโm happy to be peaceful. But apparently these queens, in the spring, they find a new nest, sheโs burrowing under my garden, my wood bed. They start their hive, and then at the end of the season, the new little queens go out to find new homes and the old house is dead and they never reuse it again. So, anyway, itโs really interesting. I think itโs just fascinating! Itโs like a whole chunk of my life that I donโt get to share with many besides Austin and Gus, so I wanted to tell you about it. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Well, Cassy, youโre welcome to share anything you want on your podcast.
Cassy Joy: Thank you. Thanks everybody for listening! In the world of probably real/relevant updates, I wanted to let you guys know that if youโre interested in joining the Fed and Fit project in June, which kicks up, it starts on Monday the first. This is your last week to enroll. So I will include a link directly to how to sign up and enroll in the podcast notes. But otherwise just watch for it on social media, or you can always find a link on my website. So thatโs whatโs going on over here, Charissa. I want to know whatโs new with you?
2. Updates from Charissa [6:30]
Charissa Talbot: Well, as we all know I moved into my new place at the beginning of the month, and there wasnโt a working stove so it had to be ordered. And because itโs a small place itโs a smaller, one of those, itโs a smaller stove made for like studio apartments. So it took a while to get here, and it finally arrived this morning, so this morning was the first morning I was actually able to make my own coffee. Because I donโt have a coffee maker, I have an on the stove top percolator.
Cassy Joy: Yeah.
Charissa Talbot: So that was so exciting to not have to go all the way to the coffee shop, buy coffee. Because when you work from home, you know, thatโs part of the luxury. You donโt have to run anywhere if you donโt want to. Itโs definitely been a true no-cook experience though for these last 3 weeks, because I have not had a stove or oven.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: So it can be done. Iโm actually probably going to do more cooking over the next week than I normally do just because Iโm excited to have the option again. {Laughs}
Cassy Joy: Oh, thatโs great! Good for you.
Charissa Talbot: Yep, yep. And work wise, as you all know I work for Sarah Ballantyne, The Paleo Mom, and we have been running our autoimmune wellness bundle, and behind the scenes, let me tell you. I give props to anyone that has run a bundle or help run a bundle. Respect for all of y’all. Itโs rewarding and exhausting, but Iโm here today and our topic has got me excited. Weโre going to do the best we can. Iโm glad that Cassy is doing the majority of the talking today, because Iโm pretty tired! {laughs}
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: But Iโm here! Iโm here and Iโm excited for the break and to be talking to you guys. For those of you who want, go and check out the bundle. Just donโt email me for support. {laughs} Just kidding.
Cassy Joy: {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: Just kidding.
Cassy Joy: Iโm excited for you, and Iโm also excited for you to have a little R&R after all this is done.
Charissa Talbot: Yes, yes. Oh, and everyone, Cathy, Cassy. Cathy; see? My brain is not working today. Cassyโs holiday eBook is in the bundle, she made an autoimmune version of it for everyone, which I think is awesome. So go check that out.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Thank you Charissa. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: My brain is so bundle right now, itโs all I can think of. I feel like Iโm a walking sales ad, so itโs ok.
Cassy Joy: {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: My friends text me, and Iโm like, have you seen the bundle! Itโs bad. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: {laughs} Tell everybody!
Charissa Talbot: Tell everybody!
Cassy Joy: Thatโs great. I think thatโs awesome. Yeah, no if you do have a copy of my holiday feast from last year, and you enjoyed it, and you are specific autoimmune protocol or you’re trying to follow that or learn about it, I did include an addition just for you. And itโs got meal plans and shopping lists and thatโs included in the bundle with so many other resources. Weโll include a link to that in todayโs show notes, as well, but today is the last day that you can get it. Just keep that in mind; if youโre listening to this on Monday the 25th, this is your chance to grab it.
Charissa Talbot: Last day, last day.
Cassy Joy: Ok.
3. What is alcohol? [10:01]
Charissa Talbot: I am really excited about this topic.
Cassy Joy: Yeah!
Charissa Talbot: And it falls in line with an episode we did earlier, right?
Cassy Joy: It really does. So, we got a lot of really positive feedback after we recorded caffeine 101. Because we asked you guys what you thought about that; because we go sometimes back and forth. And weโre going to keep going back and forth in the future, because thereโs kind of a lot that we want to talk about in general, but we like to go between some mindset lifestyle things and also Charissa and I are both certified nutrition consultants with some pretty heavy science backgrounds, and we like to dive into some of that stuff, too. We think talking about this stuff under a really fun, education light is engaging, and knowledge is power. Itโs kind of along that thread. So, you guys said you liked it and youโd like to see more of it, so we are taking your advice and we are coming back with a pretty equally information filled episode.
Today weโre going to talk about alcohol 101. And it makes me wonder, Charissa, if we should include a disclaimer on todayโs episode, like itโs got mature content. Itโs not that we plan to curse, unless you think darn, dang, and crap are curse words! {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: If you do, then maybe I should #censor. But we are going to talk about alcohol.
Charissa Talbot: Yes.
Cassy Joy: Also known as, or more specific ethanol, and even geekier, EtOH.
Charissa Talbot: Ok. Iโm ready.
Cassy Joy: You might need to flash a, youโre geeking out too much Cassy, sign to give me.
Charissa Talbot: No, no. Itโs, I love it. I love it.
Cassy Joy: Ok, good. Go for it.
Charissa Talbot: Go for it.
Cassy Joy: I was going to say, if youโre looking for an education on how the body processes alcohol, and then other ideal sources and how to prepare your body for alcohol, should you chose to partake, thatโs why we prepared this episode for you.
Charissa Talbot: Love it. I love our 101s, theyโre really popular. So, letโs get started out. Cassy, what the heck is alcohol and where does it come from?
Cassy Joy: Oh, those are great questions Charissa. {laughs} Iโve got some answers for you.
Charissa Talbot: You donโt say!
Cassy Joy: {laughing} Ok, so if you are a chemistry buff, you know that alcohol is actually just an organic compound that is simply formed, and weโre speaking really simply here, when a group of only hydrogen and carbon molecules bind to a hydroxyl group, which is the OH. And the name of that compound when the OH is attached to it changes, the very end of the name changes to add the -ol on the end of it, alcohol.
Examples of this includes methanol, which is toxic to humans in large doses, really volatile and itโs also commonly used as a laboratory solvent. Ethanol, which is whatโs in tasty, delicious tequila. Isopropyl alcohol, which is rubbing alcohol, xylitol which is a sugar alcohol, which you can see in some treats that are coming across some of the different paleo blog threads that are out there, glycerol, which is used in a lot of food production as a preservative, solvent, and sweetener. And then methanol; oh, sorry, not methanol. Menthol, which is found in lip balm, Icy Hot, Vicks, and then also in those menthol cigarettes that we know about.
All of those are alcohols; I just wanted to cover the bases. So if anybody is listening, like I said, that is a chemistry buff, you probably have that little burr in your side that youโre like, well, thereโs all kinds of alcohol. So {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Today weโre specifically going to talk about ethanol, which more specifically, drinking alcohol. Ethanol is a natural byproduct of the metabolic process of yeast. Therefore, where yeast exists generally speaking, youโll find ethanol. This can happen in overripe fruit. Naturally, yeast is found in kombucha, of course, bread yeast where the bubbles rise, and also in drinking alcohol. Today weโre really only going to talk about alcoholic beverages in the form of wine, beer, hard cider, and spirits.
Charissa Talbot: So, everyone, get your favorite drink, I know itโs in the morning but Happy Memorial Day! Actually, Iโm drinking my kombucha right now.
Cassy Joy: Are you? Well you’re partaking in a little ethanol consumption.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah! Iโm getting my ethanol on!
Cassy Joy: {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: Iโm going to use that as a hashtag. #Getyourethanolon.
Cassy Joy: #GetyourEtOHon.
Charissa Talbot: Oh, Iโm so doing it. Whereโs my phone. Time to Instagram.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
4. How is drinking alcohol (EtOH) made? [15:02]
Charissa Talbot: Ok, sorry everyone, off track. Alright Cassy. Now that we know what alcohol is, letโs get to the second part of the question. Where does it come from?
Cassy Joy: Great question too! I love stuff like this, you guys. Weโre going to get in a little bit to how alcohol is processed in the body, but I think itโs really fascinating first to know how it would show up to us. How does it even wind up in that wine glass or that mug of beer? So first off, Iโm going to talk about wine because itโs one of my personal favorites.
Wine is made from the fermentation of grapes by yeast, or grape juice. So when grapes come off the vine, they have their own wild yeast variety, but most wine makers will add an additional yeast to help both control the speed and the type of fermentation. So the yeast essentially eats up the sugars in the grape juice, and the byproduct is then alcohol and carbon dioxide. So the longer yeast is allowed to ferment the juice, meaning eat up the sugars in the juice, the more dry the wine. So really sweet wines, like Riesling and gluhwein if youโre familiar with what gluhwein is, are made both with a) using very special grapes that are picked at their peak sugar levels, which is usually after the first frost.
If you canโt tell, Iโm kind of also a little wine geek. And the fermentation process is stopped before the sugars are all eaten up by the yeast. And if youโre curious, fermentation can be stopped by dropping the temperature of the wine, or some wine makers even add brandy and there are some other ways you can do it.
So the resulting alcohol content of wine ranges anywhere between 9-16% by volume; thatโs ABV, alcohol by volume. So when you see that percentage number on a bottle of beer, wine, or spirits, thatโs what itโs talking about.
So next up on the list is beer. Beer is made from the fermentation of a grain mash, so to speak, and yeast. Shocker.
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Barley and other grains, wheat, all kinds of other things, are blended with a variety of other flavors like hops, if you like ales, pale ales was one of my favorites before I really pursued a grain-free lifestyle, I liked really hoppy beers. That blend is fermented than a shorter period of time than wine. Beer, I found a fun fact on the internet. {laughs} Those interwebz have all kinds of useful information.
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Beer is actually the most popular alcoholic beverage in the world.
Charissa Talbot: I believe it.
Cassy Joy: Isnโt that interesting? I went to Germany when I was, I guess a sophomore or a junior in college, I went there with my family and we went for this festival in Wiesbaden, which is just along the Rhine river where we were hanging out at this festival, and I didnโt really speak much German. I still donโt. But by golly I learned the words โein bier bitteโ.
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: You went up to the beer stand and I was like, Iโd like. And thatโs โone beer pleaseโ. But I didnโt know how to count in German or say a larger number, and I had gone to go get a couple of beers for my parents and some of their friends were there, and I needed 4 beers, and I was like, Iโd like โein ein ein ein bier bitteโ. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughing}
Cassy Joy: Anyways, itโs the universal language.
Charissa Talbot: Thatโs funny.
Cassy Joy: So, I thought that was interesting. Apparently itโs also the third most consumed liquid in the world, just after water and tea.
Charissa Talbot: Hmm.
Cassy Joy: So beer ends up with an average range of alcohol by volume, ABV, of 4-6%, so thatโs significantly less than wine. Although there are some beer varieties that are brewed to be much higher. So thatโs controlled by whoever is making the beer. They do those things on purpose.
Next on our list is hard cider, which you will probably see pop up in the paleo/grain-free community as one of the fizzy beverages of choice. Hard cider is almost always made with apples, and it truly is kind of a love child between the brewing process, or the fermentation process of wine and the fermentation of beer. The type of yeast used, I guess in characteristic, in output, is similar to that of beer, but youโre starting with a fruit, like you did in wine. So the fermentation process is much quicker, and thereโs going to be less alcohol content, similar to what youโll find in beer. Often fizzy, and like I said, itโs generally preferred by those of us who follow a grain-free lifestyle. Personally, Iโm not a huge fan because thereโs a lot of sugar in it, and itโs really sweet.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: There are some varieties that people say arenโt very sweet, but I think it all still tastes like Iโm drinking apple juice.
Charissa Talbot: Itโs hard. Like, I really like ciders because I do kind of miss the taste of beer, although there are some really good gluten free beers.
Cassy Joy: Thatโs true.
Charissa Talbot: Iโm not a big fan of beer, but let me tell you, if itโs that right mood where itโs the perfect summer day, maybe you’re washing the car or having a barbecue out back. Sometimes just having that one beer; I donโt know, I like to get the gluten-free beers everyone once in a while for that specific occasion. Ciders I really like, but most of them they are just way too sweet. Yeah. Iโm with you there.
Cassy Joy: They are way too; it tastes like a candy bar.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: But Iโm with you too. I think if you really only like beer, and you want to kind of explore a grain-free lifestyle, a slightly cleaner version, check out some of the gluten free beers out there. There are some good ones. Thereโs one with a green label, but I canโt remember off the top of my head right now, that I really like. They have an amber thatโs delicious, and thereโs another brand called Omission out there. But good point, Charissa, Iโm glad you said that.
Lastly, the last kind of alcohol weโre going to talk about today drinking alcohol is a distilled beverage. Which apparently you can only call those a spirit if their alcohol by volume, ABV, reaches 20% or more. Which I thought was interesting.
Charissa Talbot: Hmm. I did not know that.
Cassy Joy: {laughs} Now you know! Anybody; Bill Nye the Science Guy? Ok.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: {laughs} Although, that being said, most whiskeys and vodkas are upwards north of 40%. So distillation of these spirits is actually a major process, and we wonโt talk about all of that today, but essentially they just pull the alcohol that is fermented off and collect it separately. It results in a much higher concentrated alcohol by volume and itโs a little bit of a cleaner beverage, because the things that were used to ferment, whether itโs the grains or the wood or the fruit or whatever it is is kind of left behind, and the alcohol and the flavor extracted is kind of what you get. Anyway, I think thatโs kind of cool. So, now we know all the basics.
5. How the body processes alcohol. [22:30]
Charissa Talbot: All the basics. So now that we know just to recap, now that we know what alcohol is and where it comes from, Cassy what happens when we drink it? What happens to our body when we drink alcohol?
Cassy Joy: This is the most fascinating part, I think.
Charissa Talbot: So much fun. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Ok, so Iโm going to give you two answers, Charissa.
Charissa Talbot: Ok.
Cassy Joy: First Iโm going to tell you what happens in a moderate, basic sense, you know?
Charissa Talbot: Ok.
Cassy Joy: And then weโre going to talk briefly; Iโm not going to harp on it, but weโre going to talk briefly about what happens to your body upon chronic consumption; when you have an abusive relationship with alcohol.
Charissa Talbot: Right.
Cassy Joy: Ok. So in a basic sense, pulling back a little bit lighter; remember how in caffeine 101, we talked about how the caffeine molecule essentially works to speed up the neurotransmitters in our brain, right? We feel more awake, more articulate, weโre firing faster, weโre able to solve problems more quickly, weโre really in tuned, our reaction times are really quick. Well, alcohol essentially has the opposite effect. So you might have heard caffeine being referred to as an upper, an alcohol as a downer. So what alcohol does is it acts to slow down those neurotransmitters.
So the manifestation of the brain slowing down, tends to leave us finding jokes funnier longer, you know?
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm
Cassy Joy: You tend to giggle a little bit longer, and find things funnier. We start to sway a little bit because our body is taking too long to manage muscle control and balance and stay on top of all of these things. Our speech starts to slur as our words are taking longer to process and pronounce. And our reaction time is lower, which is one of the reasons why we shouldnโt drive when we drink. Itโs important to note that all these effects are compounded the more you drink in a short period of time.
Charissa Talbot: Right.
Cassy Joy: Ok, so thatโs essentially what happens. Iโm trying not to get too, too into the weeds. But thatโs basically what happens. In the situation of chronic consumption, the long term effects. And chronic consumption; this could be every single night, 5 beers a night. Or it could be one night of 5 beers. Whether itโs just you binge drink one time a week, or you binge drink 5 days a week.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: Both of those are generally considered chronic consumption, kind of an abusive relationship. So in either case, the impact on your body, letโs talk first about the brain. It can cause damage to the brains communication pathways. So, if you feel like youโre getting dumber, itโs probably because of the alcohol abuse. It can alter moods greatly, which could also be attune to an addictive nature.
Charissa Talbot: Yes.
Cassy Joy: If you have alcoholism in your family, thatโs just something to really be aware of. Just be aware of it; Iโm not saying you should never pick up a drink if thatโs a decision that you havenโt come to, but just kind of be aware of that, that itโs definitely a possibility or a greater possibility. And it could also make it more difficult to think more clearly in the long-term.
Next letโs talk about the heart; long-term effects of alcohol on the heart. In a sense, it can cause the heart muscle to stretch and sag.
Charissa Talbot: That doesnโt look pretty, yโall.
Cassy Joy: No, itโs not pretty at all.
Charissa Talbot: Nu-huh. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: You want to love your heart.
Charissa Talbot: We want a nice firm tight heart.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Healthy, sexy.
Cassy Joy: Yeah.
Charissa Talbot: We want a sexy heart. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: A sexy heart. It could result in an irregular heartbeat, and some of you may notice that after you have a drink, you might have a funny little heartbeat or an irregular palpitation. Thatโs something to be aware of. And it could also cause high blood pressure, both chronic and immediate. So, all good things to be aware of.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: As far as your liver goes; this is probably what people think of first, but I wanted to get brain and heart out there, because those are kind of sneaky effects so to speak.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: When you start feeling you’re getting dumber as the years go by. I hate to use such a not pretty term to talk about that, but if you really do feel like you’re losing some of your wit, it could be because of too much alcohol for too long. And thatโs not to say that you canโt heal, you can. Just something to be aware of.
But liver Iโm putting third on the list, it can cause, as many of us know, an enlarged fatty liver. And our livers are just so vital; we canโt go into it today, but Google all the amazing things your liver does for you. And if youโve ever seen the liver of an alcoholic.
Charissa Talbot: Ooof!
Cassy Joy: It can be a wakeup call.
Charissa Talbot: Not pretty.
Cassy Joy: And I encourage you also, I donโt encourage you to do it while youโre eating, but {laughs} Google alcoholic liver and see what it actually looks like versus a healthy liver. Itโs pretty eye opening.
Next up cancer. Chronic alcohol abuse can really increase your risk of developing all kinds of cancer. Lastly, it really weakens your immune system. It can weaken it immediately, so if youโre already not feeling very well, I recommend you kind of stay away from cocktails. And then it can also weaken after chronic use over time. So, there you go. Weโre not going to harp on it.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah. Mmm. Good information.
Cassy Joy: Yeah.
Charissa Talbot: its good information to know. Even if you’re, you know I was at a point where I was having a glass of wine every single night, and then sometimes, you know Iโm a single person so then you go out and you might have a couple of drinks at the bar. I got to a point where it was like, alright. This is really out of hand and just not where I want to be health wise, so it was good to just nip that stuff in the bud and cut it out. Sometimes you have to have a little wake up call to that. Because it can be really easy to be like, well this is pretty normal for everybody, right? But you know, itโs good to have that realization and kind of assess, if youโre kind of in that. Just because itโs not maybe abusive, you could still have something thatโs chronic.
Cassy Joy: Totally.
Charissa Talbot: Same thing with coffee. If you get to a point, like right now where I am with coffee, where Iโm like, I need coffee! Because itโs keeping me alive right now, Iโm looking forward to taking a break and getting back off the coffee for a while. I think when you get to that point when you think you need something versus, oh Iโd really enjoy this. Thereโs a difference. Thatโs when you kind of need to look at things and maybe see if thereโs a mindset or an adjustment you need to make there just to go off track there.
Cassy Joy: I think thatโs great. I think itโs important to note. Thereโs a difference between being aware of the obvious and being aware of the not so obvious, and thatโs really what weโre trying to get at here, is kind of shed some light on the things that arenโt very obvious. Because like I said before, knowledge is power. Information is power. You can work your way out of any mental situation by just having more information about it.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah and no judgment. Do what you want. Itโs good to have the information.
Cassy Joy: Totally, and Charissa and I are going to share in a little bit our takes on how we approach it now, so youโll see kind of what we thing.
6. Red wine and clear liquors; healthier? [30:12]
Charissa Talbot: Alright, so moving on. Back on track. So, whether weโre talking about paleo or just trying to be healthier or just making good choices when it comes to alcohol. So Cassy, is it true that red wine and clear liquors are healthier? Because thatโs what you hear, thatโs what people tell you, and thatโs what people say. So whatโs the scoop behind that?
Cassy Joy: Ok, so hereโs my take on it. And I know itโs probably going to be a little controversial depending on who youโre hearing it from, but you’re hearing it from me today. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughs} Therefore, itโs correct.
Cassy Joy: Itโs correct in this context. Ok, so, red wines and clear liquors, which youโve probably heard some up in the paleo community before, are they healthier? I tend to say that it is true, theyโre probably going to have less crap in them. So essentially youโre reducing the likelihood that youโll have a reaction to something else in the beverage other than the ethanol, the alcohol.
Charissa Talbot: Thatโs such a good point to make, though. Itโs really a good point.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, so itโs like, letโs say you have, one night you decide to have a glass of red wine. There are all kinds of arguments out there; if you Google the health benefits of red wine, youโre going to find plenty of information that makes you feel like red wine is the fountain of youth, you know? {laughs} Itโs the secret elixir to lifelong health.
Charissa Talbot: Right.
Cassy Joy: Because there are so many people out there wanting to justify it. Theyโre going to say, youโre going to read about antioxidants, youโre going to read about some of the things weโre actually going to talk about today, but really at the end of the day, it doesnโt promote health any more than white wine does, so I donโt tend to get too hung up on red versus white. The more sugary an alcohol is, and the higher the alcohol content the more sugars you’re going to be ingesting, so thatโs something to think about.
As far as liquors go, clear liquors like tequila and vodkas, they have less crap in them. They donโt have as much other stuff like you would find in the whiskeys and the brandys, which have more sugars, processed or unprocessed. And by that I mean converted into alcohol, in addition to some other things. You know, the whiskeys and some of those other spirits are brewed with wheat, so theyโre going to have, if youโre celiacs, itโs probably best to avoid those types of liquors, and beers, and things like that.
The red wines and clear liquors are just more of a safe bet. Because you’re less likely to have a reaction to something else in the drink. Thatโs kind of why that comes up, in my opinion.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah, and I think if you do chose to drink, I like to pair what Iโm drinking with what Iโm eating. If Iโm going to enjoy a drink, I want it to go along. And that might be a red or a white. So who knows? Itโs ok.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, who knows? Totally.
7. How-to prepare for a night of drinking. [33:21]
Charissa Talbot: Alright Cassy. So letโs say, Iโve heard all this information, Iโm like great. Itโs Memorial Day, I want to go outside and enjoy the weather, or tonight Iโm going to have a nice meal, and Iโm going to chose a drink of my choice. So Cassy, what can I do? Whatโs the best way to prepare my body and myself for consuming that alcohol. What steps or tips would you give us?
Cassy Joy: Ok, so number one, make sure that you just kind of like Charissa alluded to just a second ago, do not skip dinner before drinking. Drink with your food. If youโre concerned about your health ,this is something to keep in mind. A meal high in protein and health fats is really ideal. Throwing some leaf densy greens; {laughs} leaf densy greens. Dense leafy greens in the mix is even better, and I wouldnโt get too worried about eating starches with your meal, because youโre going to be getting plenty of sugars with the cocktails.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: And then, special shout out to those of you, because I was there one day and I wish someone had told me this. If youโre in college, and youโre just planning on going out and youโre going to go to a party. Iโm not here to tell you that thatโs right or wrong, but I am here to tell you the best way to prepare your body for it. And I want you to know, itโs best if all day long you drink a lot of water, and the way to know how much water to drink is to take your weight and divide it by 2, and drink that many ounces is a rough go by.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: And then about one hour before you plan on having your first drink, I want you to have a big piece of protein, that also has some healthy fats. So know that an average can of tuna, which is pretty affordable, you can keep them in your dorm room or whatever, has about 35 grams of protein. And if you have two of those, thatโs a good sized meal, you mix it with some healthy mayo, like the Mark Sisson new mayo thatโs out there is really delicious.
Charissa Talbot: Oh my gosh, itโs so good.
Cassy Joy: So stinking good. You mix that up, you put it on some chopped up kale that you got and you’re keeping in your dorm mini fridge, and bam! Youโve got a good amount of protein and your body is a little bit better prepared to handle some alcohol.
If you do skip your meal, you will feel the effect of alcohol much more quickly and strongly. So on an empty stomach, you will spike your blood sugar and the absorption of alcohol more rapidly. So if you want to kind of help mediate that, definitely make sure youโre eating.
On average, I think itโs important to note that the body can metabolize about one drink every hour, although itโs considered โabusiveโ for a man to consume more than 4 drinks in a day and for a lady to consume more than 3. So this is just kind of something to be aware of. And that number, of course, is going to change based on your build, and size, and how quickly your body metabolizes alcohol.
Charissa Talbot: And a little note with the men versus women thing, men can actually break down and process alcohol faster than women in their bodies.
Cassy Joy: Interesting. I think thatโs interesting. So, ladies out there, donโt feel like youโve got to keep up with the boys club; know whatโs right for you. I think itโs also important to note that if you are โpacing yourselfโ, letโs say you’re out there for an all day tailgate. Fighting Texas Aggies, weโve got football season coming up this fall, and thereโs plenty of us that are planning on barbecuing, and weโre going to start barbecuing at 11 a.m. and weโre going to have ourselves a cocktail every hour on the hour until the game starts. Well, just know that even though you might not feel drunk, so to speak because you arenโt drinking a lot of alcohol in a short period of time, you are still going to have a toxic build up.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: Which result in a hangover the next day, so your body will have a better chance of keeping up in the moment, but the long-term effect is the same.
Charissa Talbot: Yep.
Cassy Joy: And lastly I want to say, thereโs nothing wrong with pretending. You know your body best, so pay attention to what you actually want and what you can actually handle. As a replacement, or as an every other drink while youโre out, my go to is I will order a sparkling water on the rocks {laughs} so to speak, if you want to use some bar terminology, with some fresh lime juice. And if you really want to get fancy, ask for it in a salted glass. Iโve used that trick so many times; if Iโm going out with friends and I just really want to be around people but I donโt want to drink. Because Iโve got a big day the next day, or Iโve got a big workout and I donโt want to feel sluggish for it. Well Iโll order that, and Iโll just pretend like itโs a cocktail. And thereโs nothing wrong with that.
Charissa Talbot: No, nothing wrong. Pretending is my favorite thing to do these days. When it comes to drinking; not other things.
Cassy Joy: {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: That sounded really weird. My favorite thing I like to do is I will do soda water with bitters and lime, because then it reallyโฆ
Cassy Joy: Mmmm.
Charissa Talbot: And then a lot of people donโt understand the bitters thing, so people are like, what are you drinking? And Iโm like, soda water and bitters. And theyโre like, oh ok. Most people donโt understand itโs not really anything. I love that, I love that drink. I love the way it tastes too, itโs really my go to.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, and bitters have their own really high rate health..
Charissa Talbot: So good for you, all the digestive enzymes!
Cassy Joy: Totally. Itโs good for you adrenal support and all that stuff. Iโm not sure about the bitters you find in a bar, what else is in there, but thatโs interesting.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah. Thatโs my go to.
Cassy Joy: Cool.
8. Health benefits of alcohol [38:55]
Charissa Talbot: Alright, so. Now that weโve talked about all of this information; are there really any health benefits to drinking alcohol?
Cassy Joy: Just like we talked about with caffeine, itโs easier to talk smack about this legal drug known as alcohol, itโs got that whole slew of negative health effects, especially when abused or consumed too young. If youโre a young listener, you know it does have a really negative effect on you if youโre still developing.
That being said, there are some health benefits on the fringe. Now some people will probably listen to this podcast just for these 3 bullet points. {laughs} So, whatever you need. Whatever you want to sink your teeth into. One benefit, it can help you wind down after a long day. So this is real. I know so many people that I work with one on one, especially through the Fed and Fit project that are like, you know, I really wanted to turn my health around and my life around, but Iโm not prepared to give up my glass of red wine that I have after a long work day. And thatโs ok; if you feel so stressed out; Iโm here to tell you its fine, right. Thereโs a whole nother slew of red tape if we want to get into abuse, but in the general sense, if you are so stressed out that a glass of red wine helps you wind down and shut down and turn off after a long day, then I tend to say that glass of red wine probably has less of an impact on your long-term health than the overload of stress.
Charissa Talbot: I totally agree. Amen with that.
Cassy Joy: Ok, good. So thatโs a legitimate thing, I think. Thatโs a legitimate benefit. Not to be abused, though. Just try not to drink the bottle.
Charissa Talbot: I use that rule of thumb with any change anyone is making when I work with clients. If the thought of cutting out these 10 foods is stressing you out, letโs just start with one. Because we donโt need to add stress on top of the stress that they already have when weโre working with clients, right? I think itโs important when you’re looking at anything, when you are working with clients or youโre doing something for yourself. If you find that itโs actually causing more stress, then take it back a notch. Figure out another way that you can kind of; every step forward is still a step forward. You donโt have to do everything all at once. Thatโs a big point that I like to make.
Cassy Joy: I think thatโs a great point. Thatโs really, really solid. And itโs also important to note that alcohol is a stressor on your body, clearly it has all those negative health effects, but at the end of the day, the stress that you feel in the pit of your stomach and the anxiety is probably worse.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: Just something to think about. Another potential benefit, in the right amount, it can promote healthier skin by actually increasing blood flow. You know how you kind of get flushed after you have a cocktail sometimes? It could be a sign of two things. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: It could be a sign of ethanol doing its job to increase blood flow to the skin, or you could be having an allergic reaction {laughs} so.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: Just be aware that thatโs a distinction. Thatโs interesting to know. But thatโs after one glass of wine. You have 3 glasses of wine, and it has the opposite effect.
Charissa Talbot: Right.
Cassy Joy: It could help you age more quickly. But thatโs something to think about. And then a third benefit Iโm going to throw out there is that it gets you out there, man, girl! If a cocktail will help you socialize and feel connected to your community; again, this is another probably rickety soap box to stand on, and thereโs a lot of red tape, but Iโm going to say it. Iโm all for it.
Charissa Talbot: Yep.
Cassy Joy: People who have friends, large families, and pets live longer, happier, healthier lives.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: Socializing is crucial to how we are as human beings. Weโre meant to socialize. After PaleoFx, being somebody who works from home. We talked about this on that episode, but being somebody who works from home, from my computer. I mean, I see Austin and Gus and my friends and my family here, but getting out to socialize and hug all of you people that I essentially think of as my colleagues, I came home on such a high, because people are meant to be around other people. And if alcohol, getting out there and going to a bar, even if youโre just faking it, and youโre having a bitters with soda or you’re having a lime on the rocks with some sparkling water, itโs really important to your health. So get out there, I totally support you. Again, all things in moderation.
Charissa Talbot: And for me, as a single person, most activities, people, if you say that you donโt drink or you donโt drink often, it can be kind of a shut down on that first date because guys want someone they know that they can have with their friends at a barbecue, and youโre not going to be like, judging them that theyโre drinking. It makes it really hard already {laughs} to not throw that in there. Thereโs so many other events that you go to as a single adult person where itโs almost expected. It does make it very difficult, and it is hard. But like you said, the pretending works really well, or figure out that one favorite drink and enjoy that one drink that you want. And donโt stress about it. Lifeโs too short.
Cassy Joy: Donโt stress about it. Exactly. Thatโs exactly right, Charissa. Lifeโs too short, donโt stress about it.
Charissa Talbot: Donโt judge.
Cassy Joy: Exactly. And thatโs really why, thatโs another reason why I like the pretend route, because ok sure, Iโm armed and dangerous with all of these factoids, and now you are too! Of all the negative effects of alcohol, where it comes from, what maybe some healthier choices are, but that does not mean that I go to a cocktail party ready to unload on people.
Charissa Talbot: Right. Oh, yeah.
Cassy Joy: Because a part of socializing and a part of being in a community and just hanging out with people and loving people for who they are is to just let them be. And that includes yourself. So thatโs why I kind of like the pretending thing. If somebody is really curious, and they ask you about it, thatโs a great opportunity to share. And this kind of goes back to our episode of how to paleo with grace that we talked about.
Charissa Talbot: Yes!
Cassy Joy: It was an early episode. But itโs kind of the same thing; how to drink alcohol with grace, or not drink alcohol with grace. At the end of the day, itโs a personal choice. You do you.
Charissa Talbot: Donโt be judgy, be accepting of others, be accepting of yourself.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, you do you. Love all people, it will all be ok.
Charissa Talbot: Love it.
Cassy Joy: So there you go.
9. How Charissa and Cassy personally choose to indulge. [45:43]
Charissa Talbot: Ok Cassy. So, now we get to the fun part.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Weโre going to talk about our stuff. So, this is exciting.
Cassy Joy: I want to know first, Charissa, so. {laughs} Iโm putting you on the spot.
Charissa Talbot: {laughs} Uh-oh. My face is getting flush!
Cassy Joy: Are you? It may be the kombucha.
Charissa Talbot: No Iโm kidding. Itโs the booch. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: It may be the EtOH in that kombucha. {laughs} So I want to know, what is your favorite cocktail of choice. And you can say kombucha, or you could say straight up sparkling water. And how often do you tend to indulge. I donโt think a lot of paleo nutrition people like to share this information, because weโre afraid that weโre going to be hung up and made an example of for maybe not practicing what we preach. But Charissa and I like to be as transparent as possible about whatโs going on and what our real life is about.
Charissa Talbot: Amen to that.
Cassy Joy: So, Charissa Iโd love for you to go first. {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Well, Iโm a wine girl. I do love my wine. But I think thatโs pretty expected, and if Iโm going to have a wine, I really like something spicy and bold, like a red zin. They call them cin zins. Theyโre really good, and just full of flavor, and they kind of have some bite to them. I really like, I guess they call it full body wine.
Cassy Joy: Yeah.
Charissa Talbot: Iโm not a fancy wine person. I buy the cheap stuff. But I really like that. So if Iโm going out and having a nice meal, Iโll order myself and enjoy a nice glass of wine. So far as spirits, I love a super dirty martini. I can only have one, because I have found if I have two, that can lead to a very interesting evening. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Meaning once you get a certain point, sometimes youโre like, well, I can just keep drinking, and then you wake up the next morning and youโre like, oh that was not a good idea. So, I have found when weโre talking about spirits with Charissa, she can only have one. {laughs}
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Thatโs just my rule, because it does not go well. And thatโs just me being honest. But I really do love a well made dirty martini; thatโs a fancy special treat for me for sure. Wine is my go to.
Cassy Joy: I have to know, quickly.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: Are you team blue cheese stuffed olive or are you team pimento olive?
Charissa Talbot: Oh Iโve got to go with the blue cheese stuffed, even though I should not have cheese! It tastes so good.
Cassy Joy: Mm-hmm. Iโm with you
Charissa Talbot: You have it just once in a while. Oh my gosh, so good.
Cassy Joy: Yep.
Charissa Talbot: I will say, so Iโve been in Austin almost 2 years now. My first year in Austin, I had to apologize to my liver, because this really is the adult playground. As a single person in Austin, and you know I talked about this on one of our other podcasts, I had kind of gone off the paleo track, eaten food I shouldnโt have been eating, drinking too much, itโs kind of like, and all the people I talk to say, thatโs just kind of what happens your first year in Austin if you’re a single adult, because thereโs just so much going on here. You get sucked in.
So now Iโve reigned it in, and now Iโm much, much better, much healthier, much happier. I had to have like a wakeup moment there just to be honest. Like I said before, I was doing a glass of wine every night, and now Iโve gotten back to my old rule which is, having a drink just a couple of times a week. I would say probably 2-3 times a week I have a drink.
Cassy Joy: Thatโs great.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: I think thatโs, yeah. Good for you.
Charissa Talbot: Go Cassy!
Cassy Joy: Ok, so mineโs not much different. {laughing}
Charissa Talbot: Now that Iโve put all my stuff out there for everyone to be judgy on Charissa.
Cassy Joy: Thanks for breaking the ice, Iโll just jump on in now. Now that the water is warm.
Charissa Talbot: No, itโs ok. So Cassy, now that Iโve been completely brutally honest, so what. Well Iโll say one more thing that Iโve said to people before, which I find really funny, and Iโll just be honest. You guys like me, I like you too; Charissa has a rule, and I talk about myself in the third person. I talk about this is called 3 drinks to disaster.
Cassy Joy: {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: If Charissa has more than 3 drinks, itโs a disaster. Meaning, no, itโs not good.
Cassy Joy: โsnot goodโ? {laughs}
Charissa Talbot: Itโs not good. Meaning, you know you get to that point where youโre like, this is not attractive, because Iโm such a light weight that I call it 3 drinks to disaster. So thatโs my rule that I have. So, no no.
Cassy Joy: Thatโs a good one.
Charissa Talbot: Itโs a good one.
Cassy Joy: Thatโs a good rule to have.
Charissa Talbot: And you know I had to figure out that the hard way. Where does my disaster line start at.
Cassy Joy: Yeah, I really toed my disaster line thoroughly in college, so Iโm very aware of all corners of my disaster line. And I now live very comfortablely on the safe side of it.
Charissa Talbot: Weโre experienced at that. We know where that is.
Cassy Joy: {laughs} Yeah, exactly.
Charissa Talbot: Ok. So, now that weโve got that out of the way, what about you? Go for it.
Cassy Joy: I usually stick to wine. If you couldnโt tell by my loving to talk about the fermentation process of wine, Iโm a wine girl. I find it very fascinating. I tend to stick to Cabs and Merlots. One of my favorite Cabs thatโs like middle ranged Cab is the clos du val cab. Itโs a brown label with white writing. Thatโs really delicious. Itโs like a $25 price point. I love a good merlot, which kind of went out of style, if {laughs} you care about wine styles. Other red wines, sauvignon blanc is probably my preferred white wine, or like a really nice butter chardonnay.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: Sauvignon blancโs from New Zealand are actually my favorite, the Marlboro district, and Austin and I think have decided that weโre going to go to New Zealand for our honeymoon.
Charissa Talbot: {gasp} thatโs so exciting!
Cassy Joy: Iโm so excited. Austin is not as much into wine as I am, and my family is, so I donโt know if he will be game for a visit to the Marlboro district, but Iโm working on it. Whiskey drinks; Iโm a whiskey girl. I am, I always have been. Austin makes a pretty mean whiskey cocktail. My sister Kimberly Dunn and I, the country music singer, are actually working on a little cocktail mini project, which may announce at some point.
Charissa Talbot: Ooohh!
Cassy Joy: When we get our act together.
Charissa Talbot: Love it.
Cassy Joy: Pun intended. Weโre actually going to act something out. And then, when in doubt, I will order a margarita. Maybe itโs my Garcia blood, but this girl loves a margarita. I love them with extra lime. I want lots of lime juice, fresh lime juice, I love salt, I love it on the rocks, and I want it with the silver tequila.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: My odor of choice, if Iโm at a cool restaurant like La Condesa in Austin, Texas is one of my favorites. Has a really delicious spicy margarita; jalepeno lime is my favorite. And thatโs actually, ding, ding, ding, the recipe Iโm going to share on my blog this week, you guys, is my favorite margarita recipe. Itโs for a fresh jalepeno lime margarita.
So if thatโs not on the menu when Iโm ordering out, though, I will usually ask for a silver tequila on the rocks in a salted glass with a splash of club soda and some fresh lime. And if they look at you like youโre a crazy person when you ask for fresh lime juice, then ask them to just add in some grapefruit juice on top of that because they usually have a can of that and itโs usually just grapefruit juice, and then some fresh lime to squeeze in there. And then you kind of have a paloma margarita mix. But those are my favorites.
I tend to indulge probably in two to three drinks a week, same thing. Every once in a while Iโll get home and Iโll be like, mama needs a glass of red wine. {laughs} And Iโll pour myself a glass of red wine, and Iโll usually use some of it for cooking. Iโll make marinara sauce and maybe weโll save that for alcohol 102, talking about alcohol in food and what actually happens to it. But thatโs about it. Iโll always have a glass of red wine on Sunday steak night dinner, but thatโs kind of the span.
Charissa Talbot: Thatโs nice.
Cassy Joy: I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I know we went a little bit longer than usual again.
Charissa Talbot: {laughs}
Cassy Joy: Maybe we should stop saying longer than usual, and this is just the usual.
Charissa Talbot: I know, we started out doing, letโs do 30 minute podcasts for everyone, theyโll be short and sweet. And I think, I donโt know, have we ever done one thatโs under 30 minutes? I think we kind of… But hereโs the thing, weโre under promising and over delivering, right?
Cassy Joy: Oh sure.
Charissa Talbot: Itโs a good thing.
Cassy Joy: {laughs} Thanks you guys for sticking it out with this long. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Once again, weโre loving the feedback. Obviously, you said you liked the caffeine sciencey thing, so we came back with an alcohol one.
Charissa Talbot: Yeah.
Cassy Joy: So, you give us feedback, weโre listening, and Iโm going to keep creating content that youโre asking for. So ask us some questions, weโre happy to jump into it and give you our real perspective on stuff.
Charissa Talbot: Have a great Memorial day, yโall!
Cassy Joy: Yeah, if youโre listening on the 25th, have a great Memorial Day. Check out that autoimmune bundle if you get a chance and thatโs something that youโre curious about. Sign up for the Fed and Fit project if thatโs something youโre interested in. Youโll have another opportunity next month, but the groups are going to get larger, and Iโm personally coaching this group. So Iโm here for you.
Charissa Talbot: Nice. And donโt forget to head over to my Instagram, No-Cook Paleo. Thereโs a live link in my profile, and you can purchase your no-cook paleo travel kit.
Cassy Joy: Wohoo! Thatโs so exciting.
Charissa Talbot: Mm-hmm.
Cassy Joy: We have so much stuff.
Charissa Talbot: So much stuff.
Cassy Joy: Ok you guys, you have a wonderful week. I hope you enjoyed your long weekend, and we will be back again next week.