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Ep. 137: Diane Sanfilippo on the 21-Day Sugar Detox Daily Guide

On today's episode, I'm chatting with my friend Diane Sanfilippo about her newest book, The 21-Day Sugar Detox Daily Guide!

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Episode 137 Transcription

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Cassy Joy: Welcome back to another episode of the Fed and Fit podcast. I am your host, Cassy Joy Garcia. And I am so excited about today’s episode. Well first, it’s Christmas day, if you happening to be listening today. And if you are, I hope it’s because you’re traveling {laughs} and not hiding away from family reunion. My dad always says it’s not Christmas until somebody cries. What a great way to start off a podcast! {laughing}

Today I brought one of my dearest friends and mentors in so many different capacities onto the show to talk about her latest project. She really doesn’t need an introduction, because I’m sure so many of you are familiar with her work. But today, we’re chatting with Diane Sanfilippo. She’s the owner and founder of Balanced Bites, a certified nutrition consultant, and the two-time New York Times’ bestselling author of Practical Paleo, the 21-Day Sugar Detox, and co-author of Mediterranean Paleo Cooking.

Diane holds a BS from Syracuse University, and is certified in holistic nutrition from Bauman College; holistic lifestyle coaching from the Chek institute, and Poliquin biosignature modulation. She writes for her popular health blog, www.BalancedBites.com, and is a cohost of the top rated weekly health podcast, the Balanced Bites podcast. One of my favorite listens. Which is available for free from iTunes.

In September 2016, Diane released an updated and expanded second edition of her runaway hit, Practical Paleo. Which has sold over half a million copies and spent a total of 97 weeks on the New York Times’ bestseller list. That is so incredible, every time I see that. On January 2nd, 2018, Diane will release the 21-Day Sugar Detox Daily Guide; a day by day handbook for her popular program, the 21-Day Sugar Detox, also known as #21DSD. Diane lives in San Francisco with her husband, Scott, and two fur kids. Welcome to the show, Diane!

Diane Sanfilippo: Hi!

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Hi.

Diane Sanfilippo: Hi friend.

Cassy Joy: Oh hi. {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Thanks for having me.

Cassy Joy: Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for coming on. I can’t wait to tell everybody about this new project. About what you're up to. I know so much thought and effort goes into everything that you do. But I’m really, really thrilled for this. And thrilled for what’s coming up in the New Year. Tell us a little bit about your latest project?

Diane Sanfilippo: So, let’s see. It’s December now. Sometime in the fall of last year, my team and I were together working on plans for this year. And; look, if I even back it up further than that; in the very first 21-Day Sugar Detox book, I have this small section called what to expect day by day. And in that section, there was always a little quote of something you might be thinking or feeling. Like, is this going to get easier? Or I feel pretty good today. It runs the spectrum from positive uplifting thoughts to this is the worst.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: And giving people a little bit of an inside look at what they could expect each day. And it is ups and downs, you know. It’s not always; we always joke; it’s not always sunshine and rainbows when you're changing your nutrition.

So, sometime last year we were having this conversation, and I was talking to my team about ways we were going to update our online program. We’ve had an online program for the 21-Day Sugar Detox for years and years; probably since 2010. That was kind of the first thing; an online eBook and all of that. So we were going to update the online program.

And sort of the same way a lot of other projects that I work on come into, I don’t know, reality. They start as a vision in my mind. And I know that’s a little hokey, crazy, I don’t know. But I physically was picturing what I wanted this to look like. And it very quickly escalated to; this should probably be a book, not just an update to the online program. Because I honestly, for as much as I’m not a big reader, I tend to learn in pictures and sound. And very much sound; which is why I love doing a podcast. Because I love talking and I love listening.

But I was picturing what I wanted this program daily to look like in a way that folks going through it could learn what they needed to learn on a need to know basis, and didn’t feel overwhelmed, or like they couldn’t start because if they didn’t ready 50 or 100 or however many pages about the program first, they wouldn’t be ready. So there’s a lot of different background to it. But that was kind of the first thing. I was like; you know what, what if I just broke it down and gave people information on a need to know basis? And I’m picturing Al Pacino in whatever that movie is. All information will be given on a need to know basis.

And that was kind of the theme that I had in working on it. In breaking down each day like what the lesson would be and all of that. It was kind of like; which day do I feel like you need to know this? And give or take a day, right? Because not everybody goes through the exact same moment at the exact same time. But I wanted it to be much more easily digestible, visually and also just learning wise. I think we can all go sit and learn something for hours on end. But if we have it broken up into little chunks, it seems to just go better.

So that was kind of the big inspiration behind it. There’s more, but I don’t want to ramble on. {laughs} Because I tend to ramble on.

Cassy Joy: That’s great. I always soak up whatever you have to say. And then I guess I kind of want to rewind a little bit. For folks who may be unfamiliar with the 21-Day Sugar Detox. Do you mind giving them; it’s a very well-named program {laughs}.

Diane Sanfilippo: It’s exactly what it sounds like.

Cassy Joy: It’s exactly what it sounds like. But do you mind giving folks a quick overview of the 21DSD. And how this daily guide fits into it, in addition to the other resources.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah. So, really how it even started; this was 2010 is when I originally wrote the first eBook. Which is the first iteration of the program. And I’m guessing there’s at least a couple of your listeners out there who maybe even have that original eBook from back in the day, maybe you have it. Some of my original blog readers and supports were the first to jump on board and grab that.

But the program is designed to help people who are struggling with sugar and carb cravings, primarily. It is a whole foods based program; so anybody who wants to just clean up their diet, if they’re dealing with issues of diabetes, type 2 diabetes, particularly type 2 but if you have type 1 it’s also helpful. You just need to talk to your doctor, in either case.

Anybody who is dealing with hormonal imbalances, mood issues, trouble with sleep. But really, calling it the 21-Day Sugar Detox, that’s really what it is. It’s getting out refined carbohydrates, poor nutrient carbohydrates. Getting out very sweet foods. So in the program, I have some not sweet treats that I recommend not serving to somebody who is not on the sugar detox with you, because by week 2 you're like; this tastes great! And your friend is like, no it doesn’t. It definitely does not. But your palate changes on the program.

And I don’t include very sweet fruits and things like that. You know; you and I both agree that those have a fantastic place in your every day life. But if you’re somebody who feels like you're a slave to sugar and carbs, I do think that taking three weeks to not eat super sweet foods is helpful. Because it just gives your whole body and your palate a new appreciation for natural sweetness in a way like nothing else can. So that’s kind of the background of it.

And just a quick peek at sort of what folks are eating on the program; it’s not a one-size fits all program. So one of the things that I wanted to do with it, even back in 2010, as a nutritionist, was really meet people where they are. So, you can come into the program and be eating a paleo type of diet, and you can do the 21-Day Sugar Detox in that way, and you would be on level 3. But there’s also level 1 and 2. And they include things like some gluten-free grains and some full fat dairy. And I detail all of that in the book, in terms of which level is right for each person and where you're at.

But I love that you could come into it and be eating paleo and do the 21-Day Sugar Detox, and it can work for you. Or your aunt can come into it, and still have half a cup a day, for example, of some rice or some legumes, and have some full fat dairy. And that is a huge shift for so many people. And it’s an important shift to make. I mean, I think you and I both went through so much of that in our nutrition studies, and working with clients. That not everybody needs to go paleo to get healthy. And in fact, for a lot of people it can be a deterrent, because it’s either too scary, or it’s too strict, or they don’t see themselves doing that in the longer term. So I wanted to give people something that they could find just an approach within the confines of what I’m trying to deliver in terms of results, and their experience, but something that would really work for them a little bit more individually.

Cassy Joy: Awesome. I love it. Diane, you have such an ability, and this is something I’ve always admired about every piece of work that you put out there. But it’s really thoughtfully done. I think you guys are in excellent hands with regard to; of course, the research and care that Diane puts into her work projects. But she has an ability to also anticipate, I think, the nuances and the differences. How someone might be showing up different, from a different place or of a different mindset, or with a different goal than maybe their neighbor. And so I think the 21-Day Sugar Detox, you’ve done such a fabulous job of making sure that everybody feels well taken care of. Because there is; it’s true. You can find successes even if you go through the program differently from somebody else.

And I’ve done the 21DSD and have definitely experienced that change in palate. It’s really interesting; I remember the lemon vanilla meltaways is one of your recipes. And that was another one I think I made them and shared with friends; or my family. {laughs} I was like aren’t these great, and they’re like; oh my! {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Cassy Joy: Your taste buds have changed!

Diane Sanfilippo: Those are some that are not even the most intense on the not sweet side of things. But those are one of my favorite treats actually. I think they're in the first book in the original guide book. I’m like, 3 books now, I don’t remember which recipe is in each book anymore. But yeah, those are a great one.

And I think there’s a place for stuff like that. I want people to figure out how to work in something that they feel is a bit of a treat that is actually very healthy. You know the ones you were talking about, the meltaways, are made from coconut butter, lemon juice, lemon zest, and some vanilla bean. And it’s like; if that’s your treat, we’re doing ok. You know? Enjoy it. Enjoy it.

Cassy Joy: That’s wonderful. I would love; I know that since 21DSD has come out, the program has really evolved and how you're serving those people. What have been some of your lessons learned since publishing it, and publishing new works to support the program, and what’s changed in how it’s showing up today?

Diane Sanfilippo: So, one of the biggest things that I kept hearing over the years; and this is in different ways. Not everyone says it in plain English; this is what I need from you. I think this is kind of what you're alluding to; part of that is me paying close attention to what it seems like people are missing based on what they say they’re struggling with. So when people say they’re struggling to get started, I feel like the entry point seems too difficult or too sudden or scary.

So to kind of respond to that, part of what’s in the Daily Guide is a pre-detox week. And I always had a pre-detox checklist, where I gave people things to do 7 days before; 5 days; 3 days; 1 day before. But now, what’s in the Daily Guide is completely 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 days before, and a fully detailed, everything that you’re also going to get on the days of the actual program. Slightly abbreviated because we don’t have the same meal plan that’s going on when we get there. But you're getting what to expect. You're getting the dish from Diane, which is kind of like, some extra insights from me on that day. And also a lesson.

So I break it down; and that’s the nutritionist in us. We have to have; what’s the lesson for today? So for example, 7 days before you start, I’m teaching you why do we crave sugar. And then talking about where sugar hides. How to modify your meals, and just make changes from what you're doing now in your pre-detox time, and how that’s going to look as you go forward. Talking about artificial sweeteners, and all that stuff. And really, lying the foundation. So that as you lead into day one, it’s not this blunt force trauma of; I wasn’t thinking about it or doing it today and tomorrow I am.

Because I don’t think; actually I know almost nobody is successful with the program and approach it and decide today that they’re going to do it tomorrow. There needs to be a little bit of; not necessarily easing in on the nutrition part. I don’t need for you to make incremental changes in your food that much. Because the program already allows for that with the different levels. But I need for you to get your house ready. I need for you to buy some things for your pantry.

Because that’s where people fail somewhere between days 3 through 7, when they just don’t have food around or they’re not ready to prep a quick meal because they didn’t order stuff on Amazon or go to the grocery store or whatever it is. So, it’s really getting people that preparation with that week before, so that you are; I mean, by day 1, you're like bring it on! You know? You’re rip roaring ready to go.

And then the flip side of that was always; what about after? How do I transition either “back to my regular life” or what I want to say is, I want people to find their new normal after the program. Because your new normal is going to include lessons that you learned during the 21 days of the program. You can’t unlearn what you just went through. You can’t change that you had that experience. Maybe in many, many years you won’t remember exactly why you stopped eating XYZ food, because you stopped eating it while you were on the sugar detox. But, it’s going to retrain the way you grocery shop. The way you think about planning meals. How many vegetables you're eating, because that’s the bulk of what you're going to be eating on the program, you know? And really just carrying you through that second part of things. Or I guess third part; it’s pre-detox, during the detox, and then post-detox. I feel like it’s like pregnancy. It’s like postpartum.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: After the program. But not only helping you through with figuring out how to reintroduce certain foods that you eliminated, but a big part of what I’m doing with the daily content that you're getting; and this also carries through with the week post detox, is the mindset piece. Because that’s so huge for so many people. And I’m honestly so excited to see what people do with this. Because not only am I talking about things like reintroduction reactions; so that’s the physical side.

But I’m talking about the concept of everything in moderation. Some people come through the program and they feel like; shouldn’t I be able to eat everything in moderation, even though I did this program. How does that work? And giving people some more just grounding around that. Because I feel like with years of studying nutrition and working with people, I’ve just come to a place where my perspective on it is, it’s sort of forgiving but also firm in a sense. Where it’s like; you do need to take responsibility and figure out what’s going to work for you. You can’t expect me to know the answer that are right for you. And also, I don’t want anybody to leave the program, eat a cookie, and then feel ashamed about it. Like that’s some grave error. It’s really just a cookie; don’t give it more power than it deserves. It’s not that big of a deal; move on. And I really want that to be something that people get from it.

So finding your new normal, and then some strategies for short term and long term. Just the thought process of dealing with something like having an indulgence, and then going back to normal everyday life. I know you and I; we went on a gluten free donut tour in Vancouver. And it’s like; how does somebody who writes a sugar detox program go on a gluten free donut tour? Well, this is part of what is a normal healthy balance for me. Is that my every day eating? No. And I really want for other people to get to that place where they can find what their new normal is. And that can include treats.

Or, if they feel like it can’t because it just doesn’t work for them and they don’t want it to; then it doesn’t. But I really want this to be something that everyone kind of takes responsibility and figures out. Because I’m not the person that wants people to come back and use my program as their crutch. I want you to learn from it, and then move on with your life. And I have some very specific cases where I feel like repeating the program can be worthwhile. And I think it’s pretty limited. I don’t really encourage people to do that often. But I haven’t done more than one, as written, 21-Day Sugar Detox. Because I think that if you do it as written, you learn what you need to learn. And then you need to move on. Because you followed my rules for those 21 days; now you need to do something different.

I have 21-Day Sugar Detox certified coaches. If you're a coach, and if you're somebody who’s like; that’s great, you have a new book and all. But somebody needs to help me, then hire a coach. We have a couple of hundred of them at this point. You can find them at our website. But if you're a coach and you're working with people through the program, and you want to go through it again out of solidarity; alright. That’s fine. Because sometimes it is tough to coach people through it at the moment when you're like; I’m not experiencing that right now. But all of our coaches have already gone through the program at least once themselves.

And maybe it’s your mom that’s going to join you for it, and you want to do it again out of solidarity. I think that’s a totally worthwhile effort and a noble cause. But I think if it’s something that you're feeling like you don’t know what’s right, and I know what’s right, then I would ask you to pause and say I think you know what’s right and if you want to do the 21-Day Sugar Detox once and then you want to give yourself some kind of a period of detoxing otherwise, maybe that also includes those things. Like those sweet fruits we were talking about. I don’t think strawberries are causing problems for a lot of people, but I do think that in a period of getting your sugar cravings under control, it is helpful to not rely on those sweet foods in those moments. And it does change things for people.

So that’s kind of the background, giving people that support from the pre-detox week all the way through the post-detox week. And like I said, breaking it down so that yes, you're going to read a little bit about the program first, just an introduction. And then I have a whole chapter on mindset that’s before the program. Because I just need people to kind of get their head on straight before they dive into this.

And then breaking it down just daily. Focus on today. Maybe you're focusing on a couple of days in advance, if you're doing some prep work and cooking. But mostly you're staying with your head in the game on what you need to do today. Because that’s how we get through these things, right? That’s how we learn and that’s how we get through any program or we get through a book. We flip the page one at a time, and I think a lot of people kind of trip themselves up thinking, I don’t know if I can do it for three weeks. I just want people to deal with the day in front of them. And as you kind of check them off and get through it, you’ll see. You can do it. You can totally do it!

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Cassy Joy: You know, I’m thinking while you're talking about the pre-detox week, and the post-detox week. It’s like, anybody can tumble into, decide today; I’m going to start the 21DSD tomorrow. And they tumble into it, and they just go right in. They can survive three weeks. Right? But you're not asking people to survive three weeks of this program.

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah.

Cassy Joy: You're asking them to go at it with a lot of intention, so that get that groundwork out of the way. Really establish a healthy mindset going into it, so that you're not surviving it. You're working through the material very intentionally. You're able to actually interpret those symptoms. Deal with it. Not let it totally derail you because you’ve laid the ground work and then it makes it that much easier to learn those lessons, so that once you do go through it very intentionally by the letter, the one time you’ve done it, for example. When you finish a program with that much thought and care, when it’s over you're like; I need to do that once. I only needed to do that once.

So it’s that extra week of investment of your time is so, so worth it. I would say that is so crucial. Bravo for including that in the book. That’s awesome.

Diane Sanfilippo: Well thanks. And to your point about the intention and mindset; I think that that’s another thing that I saw in terms of what was missing from what I was giving people in not so much what people asked for, but just observing how the community is talking about the program and the ways that people; a lot of it is very practical. Like, how do I get food on the table fast? And some of it is just getting through a day, right? But a lot of it, in order to truly be successful with it.

And this is the same of any program from which you expect to learn something. So if you think about our nutrition program that we went through years ago, you don’t go through that whole program again just because you forgot one lesson. You go back and review the lesson. And hopefully, there was some homework in there so that you weren’t just white knuckling it, and then forgetting what you did. Somebody is sort of testing you along the way.

So one of the things that I included in this book; if people have Practical Paleo and they know one of the things I like to do is keep things kind of comprehensive in a sense. Where you have everything you need in one place. So what’s happening on every day of the 21 days; and I feel like, I think I have it. I don’t think I have it on the pre-detox days. I don’t have a journal on the pre-detox days; I have space for you to write what you ate. And it’s not to motivate you to change it right away, it’s so that you just have something to look back on in terms of what you were eating before the program.

But then once you start going into the Daily Guide, there’s a section called notes about today. And then there’s some sleep quality and time that you're going to keep notes on. On exercise and all of that. Your fruit for the day. Because there are some fruits included.

But the questions I ask you in the notes about today are extremely intentional on my part. And they change from day to day. So it’s not always; how did I feel today? What went well? What didn’t go well? And then that repeats. I say that because my first thought when I was putting this book together was that it would be the same journal on every day. That was my first thought; ok, we’ll ask you some questions and then you’ll have your assessment day after day.

But then {laughs} I actually finished all of the content for all of the daily material; all the recipes, the meal plan, everything was finished. And I actually created the journal prompts last. Because when I went back and looked at what I was trying to get someone to really learn that day, or experience that day, I just had different questions I wanted to pose.

So, day one, the questions are, “A success I had today was…” “A challenging moment today was…” and “Something that surprised me today was…” And those can be related to food or not. And part of what I’m trying to do, and it’s a little bit like; I’m a little bit sly with this stuff. But as you said, it’s very intentional. Part of it is that I want people to develop more confidence in themselves when they realize they did something they didn’t think they could do.

Another prompt is “Something I learned to stop doing was…” “Today I was grateful for…” And again, those can have to do with the program or not. It’s totally open-ended. Just as notes about today. So however you want to interpret that; if that’s all about your 21-Day Sugar Detox, great. If you're like, “Today I was grateful for this pen that writes so beautifully in this book.” I don’t care what you're grateful for.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: I’m basically getting you to develop more confidence and a sense of gratitude as you move through each day, and learn something about the program as well. Again, you could be writing, “today the most delicious thing I ate was…” and I think that’s great to observe, too.

Some of them relate to dining out, for example. When I talk about dining out in the lesson, I have you write down “Places in my neighborhood that I can eat.” I mean, this is the teacher in me. I don’t know if you know, but when I grew up my mom was a school teacher and I used to like making dittos for my friends. And it was like, my favorite thing in the world was like carbon copy a handout; a ditto. {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughing}

Diane Sanfilippo: This is like, my light. But I really love getting people to engage with their own experience in a way that’s meaningful and thoughtful. Because I think that’s what allows you to learn the most from it and come through it in a way that’s just more enriching to your life than a period of time that was like; you did this thing and that was it. I really want it to have a different impact.

Cassy Joy: I love that. You're walking people through personal insights, which is how to really personalize their experience. That’s awesome.

Diane Sanfilippo: And have them reflect on things that maybe they wouldn’t have thought about, you know? That maybe they didn’t realize. Maybe it’s like; today I was grateful that my husband brought home that rotisserie chicken that didn’t have any weird stuff in it. And then it’s not just; I got to eat that thing. But it’s like; wow, my husband is pretty great. {laughs} You know?

Cassy Joy: Yeah.

Diane Sanfilippo: It’s; you know me, I’m into all that stuff. But I think it’s just a fun way to incorporate that into people’s experience.

Cassy Joy: I love it. That’s so exciting. Ok, I know the book comes out Tuesday January 2nd, which if you're listening to this on the day of, that’s next Tuesday. And so right now folks can preorder the book, get all excited about it. But I know you're also hitting the road on a tour. Where are you headed, and when?

Diane Sanfilippo: Ok. So one thing I want to say is also that we normally start people on the program the first Monday of every month. But for January 2018, because Monday is New Years day, and ya’ll are just getting over the season. So we’re actually starting everyone on Monday, January 8th. In case you're listening and you're like; can I get the book in time, and I want to do this thing. So Monday January 8th will be the start of the first detox.

So I’m going on book tour! I’m so sad that you will not be on this tour with me. {laughs} I have to tell you.

Cassy Joy: I’m so sad too.

Diane Sanfilippo: But I do have one friend who’s going to be joining me towards the end of it, close to when her book releases. But yeah, I’m going to list off a bunch of cities, starting on January 2nd and going through the beginning of February, at least so far. San Francisco, Orange County in Huntington Beach, Montclair, New Jersey; so that’s a north Jersey spot. Cherry Hill, New Jersey; so that’s a Philadelphia/South Jersey spot. Washington D.C., Atlanta, Nashville, Kansas City, Boulder, Denver, Sacramento, Phoenix, Dallas, Austin, and Houston, then Salt Lake City. Then I’ve got a little break, and then I’m going to Portland, Seattle, and Tacoma with my friend Robyn Youkilis from her blog is Your Healthiest You, but also she has a brand new book coming out.

So yeah, I have a couple of friends joining along the way. Juli Bauer will be with me in Denver. And of course Liz Wolfe will be with me in Kansas City. And then our friend Kristen Beemer from Living, Loving Paleo is going to join me here in San Francisco. I think that will be really fun to have her share the little stage. It won’t really be a stage, but you know. With me.

Cassy Joy: {laughs}

Diane Sanfilippo: Yeah, so it’s going to be a really crazy tour. But I realize that’s honestly to me it’s work but it’s sort of the reward for getting to write the book. And I think you probably get that after what we did with our tour last year. It’s so much fun, and it’s just so enriching to be able to meet everyone. And kind of give you guys a hug. And talk to you personally about the book and my mission with it and what I hope for all of you. And we can talk about whatever. Ask whatever questions you want at the book signing.

Cassy Joy: Bring your questions. Diane; she’s just as articulate live and in person as she is wherever you’ve heard her. She’s very warm and welcoming, so don’t be afraid to go up and say hi.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughing}

Cassy Joy: If you run into her, and you see her, and you're like; “That’s Diane, but I’m too shy to go say hi!” She’ll be mad at you if you don’t go say hi later! {laughs} So if you see her and you want a picture, do it. Ask for it. Go up and say hi. Bring your questions. And give her a hug for me. I want 400 people to hug you from me; that would make me so happy.

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs} This one’s from Cassy Joy!

Cassy Joy: I would love that so much! I’ll be snuggled up with a newborn, cheering you on from San Antonio.

Diane Sanfilippo: Following the #21dsdtour. That will be the hashtag for the tour, and you’ll have to follow along.

Cassy Joy: I will.

Diane Sanfilippo: I need a cardboard cutout. Be like; here’s my little buddy. {laughs}

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Oh my gosh. I was halfway thinking; I’m going to spoil it. I’m that person that buys a present and I’m like; “Guess what I got you!?”

Diane Sanfilippo: {laughs}

Cassy Joy: I was going to send you a care package for your tour, how funny would that be if I threw in a cardboard cutout of my face?

Diane Sanfilippo: At least from here up so I can sit you next to me at the table when we’re singing books. How funny would that be.

Cassy Joy: {laughs} Oh my gosh. Well, Diane, thank you so much. Like I said, you guys can preorder the book right now. Get it in time to start the 21DSD with everybody on January 8th. And I will link to all of that in the show notes in case you're driving or you're hanging out with family and don’t have a chance to go run to the computer. It will be saved there for you.

Diane, thank you so much for coming on the show today. And of course, I’ll link up to her other books. Practical Paleo, that runaway hit that we talked about earlier. That will be linked up, as well as her website and their podcast. Thanks again for coming on today.

Diane Sanfilippo: Thanks for having me.

Cassy Joy: Of course. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We’ll be back again next week.

   

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